zaterdag 12 juni 2010

Leon de Winter's Slachtoffertroon 3

Leon de Winter heeft van zichzelf een dreinend kind gemaakt die steeds onaangepaster wordt om aandacht te kunnen blijven trekken, en daarom vreest dat de wereld bezig is 'om de Jood van zijn slachtoffertroon te stoten.'

Het joodszijn van Leon de Winter maakt van het judaisme een agressieve pathologie:


Sonja: Leon de Winter in Der Spiegel:

"When I was young, I really wanted to be a prophet, sometimes even the Messiah. But that is what all Jewish boys at a certain age want to be. They all wake up one morning and are absolutely positive: I am the Messiah! Who else would they be?"

Is dat het geval met alle joodse jongetjes? Wat een merkwaardig fenomeen. Alle jongetjes in mijn omgeving willen piloot worden, voetballer, of brandweerman.
Vervolg:

De Winter: We could have told them [Iran]: If you don't stop, we'll wipe you out!

SPIEGEL: You can't really mean that.

De Winter: Yes, I really do. I would have told the Iranians that if they don't halt their nuclear program today, we'll put the fear of God into them tomorrow. And they would have stopped because that's a language they understand.

...

SPIEGEL: That is, with all due respect, the slightly simplified worldview of a novelist who lives in nice, little Holland and doesn't have to make such decisions. A foreign minister has responsibilities and has to be more cautious in his judgments.

Dat is natuurlijk een goede vraag, die door onze "kwaliteitspers" nooit gevraagd zou worden, zo schat ik in. Vervolgens vertelt hij over de vele gevaren van bloeddorstig Iran. Dat lijkt echter meer op het gebrabbel van een Korsakow-patient wanneer je weet dat Iran nog nooit een land aangevallen heeft.

"You cannot negotiate without threatening to use force, especially if you want to prevent the development of nuclear arms by people who are practically longing for the apocalypse."

"I tried to save the world. That's also a terrible Jewish habit."

Interview hier:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,568154,00.html


Meer over de stoornis waaraan onder andere Leon de Winter lijdt:

The Israeli flotilla attack: victimhood, aggression and tribalism

A U.S. citizen of Turkish origin was among the nine people killed when Israeli commandos attacked a Gaza-bound aid flotilla . . . An official from the Turkish Islamic charity that spearheaded the campaign to bust the blockade on Gaza identified the U.S. citizen as 19-year-old Furkan Dogan . . . . Dogan, who held a U.S. passport, had four bullet wounds to the head and one to the chest . . . .

Will the fact that one of the dead at Israel's hands was an American teenager with four bullet wounds to his head alter the Obama administration's full-scale defense of Israel? Does that question even need to be asked? Not even American interests can undermine reflexive U.S. support for anything Israel does; even the Chief of the Mossad acknowledged this week that "Israel is progressively becoming a burden on the United States." One dead 19-year-old American with 4 bullet holes in his head (especially one of Turkish origin with a Turkish-sounding name) surely won't have any impact.

Yesterday, newly elected British Prime Minister David Cameron became the latest world leader to unequivocally condemn Israel, saying the attack was "completely unacceptable" and demanding an end to the blockade. But last night on Charlie Rose's show, Joe Biden defended Israel with as much vigor as any Netanyahu aide or Weekly Standard polemicist. Biden told what can only be described as a lie when, in order to justify his rhetorical question "what's the big deal here?," he claimed that the ships could have simply delivered their aid to Israel and Israel would then have generously sent it to Gaza ("They've said, 'Here you go. You're in the Mediterranean. This ship -- if you divert slightly north you can unload it and we'll get the stuff into Gaza'."). In fact, contrary to the Central Lie being told about the blockade, Israel prevents all sorts of humanitarian items having nothing whatsoever to do with weapons from entering Gaza, including many of the supplies carried by the flotilla.

One can express all sorts of outrage over the Obama administration's depressingly predictable defense of the Israelis, even at the cost of isolating ourselves from the rest of the world, but ultimately, on some level, wouldn't it have been even more indefensible -- or at least oozingly hypocritical -- if the U.S. had condemned Israel? After all, what did Israel do in this case that the U.S. hasn't routinely done and continues to do? As even our own military officials acknowledge, we're slaughtering an "amazing number" of innocent people at checkpoints in Afghanistan. We're routinely killing civilians in all sorts of imaginative ways in countless countries, including with drone strikes which a U.N. official just concluded are illegal. We're even targeting our own citizens for due-process-free assassination. We've been arming Israel and feeding them billions of dollars in aid and protecting them diplomatically as they (and we) have been doing things like this for decades. What's the Obama administration supposed to say about what Israel did: we condemn the killing of unarmed civilians? We decry these violations of international law? Even by typical standards of government hypocrisy, who in the U.S. Government could possibly say any of that with a straight face?

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What this really underscores is that the mentality driving both Israel and the U.S. is quite similar, which is why those two countries find such common cause, even when the rest of the world recoils in revulsion. One of the more amazing developments in the flotilla aftermath is how a claim that initially appeared too self-evidently ludicrous to be invoked by anyone --Israel was the victim here and was acting against the ship in self-defense --has actually become the central premise in Israeli and (especially) American discourse about the attack (and as always, there is far more criticism of Israeli actions in Israel than in the U.S.).

How could anyone with the slightest intellectual honesty claim that Israel and its Navy were the victims of a boat which Jon Stewart said last night looked like "P Diddy's St. Bart's vacation yacht"; or that armed Israeli commandos were the victims of unarmed civilian passengers; or, more generally, that a nuclear-armed Israel with the most powerful military by far in the Middle East and the world's greatest superpower acting as Protector is the persecuted victim of a wretched, deprived, imprisoned, stateless population devastated by 40 years of brutal Israeli occupation and, just a year ago, an unbelievably destructive invasion and bombing campaign? The casting of "victim" and "aggressor" is blatantly reversed with such claims -- which is exactly the central premise that has been driving, and continues to drive, U.S. foreign policy as well. In Imperial Ambitions, Noam Chomsky -- talking about America's post-9/11 policies -- described the central mental deception that is at the heart of all nations which dominate others with force (and if you're one of those people who hear "Noam Chomsky" and shut your mind, pretend that this comes from "John Smith"):

In one of his many speeches, to U.S. troops in Vietnam, [Lyndon] Johnson said plaintively, "There are three billion people in the world and we have only two hundred million of them. We are outnumbered fifteen to one. If might did make right they would sweep over the United States and take what we have. We have what they want." That is a constant refrain of imperialism. You have your jackboot on someone's neck and they're about to destroy you.

The same is true with any form of oppression. And it's psychologically understandable. If you're crushing and destroying someone, you have to have a reason for it, and it can't be, "I'm a murderous monster." It has to be self-defense. "I'm protecting myself against them. Look what they're doing to me." Oppression gets psychologically inverted; the oppressor is the victim who is defending himself.

Thus, nuclear-armed Israel is bullied and victimized by starving Gazans with stones. The Israel Navy is threatened by a flotilla filled with wheelchairs and medicine. And the greatest superpower the Earth has ever known faces a grave and existential threat from a handful of religious fanatics hiding in caves. An American condemnation of Israel, as welcomed as it would have been, would be an act of senseless insincerity, because the two countries (along with many others) operate with this same "we-are-the-victim" mindset.

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A prime cause of this inversion is the distortion in perception brought about by rank tribalism. Those whose worldview is shaped by their identification as members of a particular religious, nationalistic, or ethnic group invariably over-value the wrongs done to them and greatly under-value the wrongs their group perpetrates. Those whose world view is shaped by tribalism are typically plagued by an extreme persecution complex (the whole world is against us!!!; everyone who criticizes us is hateful and biased!!!). Haaretz today reports that "Jewish Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. gave a rare demonstration of unity on Wednesday when they backed Israel's raid of a Gaza-bound humanitarian aid flotilla." Gee, whatever could account for that "rare demonstration of unity" between these left-wing Jewish progressives and hard-core, Jewish right-wing war cheerleaders who agree on virtually nothing else? My, it's such a mystery.

I can't express how many emails I've received over the last week, from self-identified Jewish readers (almost exclusively), along the lines of: I'm a true progressive, agree with you on virtually every issue, but hate your views on Israel. When it comes to Israel, we see the same mindset from otherwise admirable Jewish progressives such as Anthony Weiner, Jerry Nadler, Eliot Spitzer, Alan Grayson, and (after a brief stint of deviation) Barney Frank. On this one issue, they magically abandon their opposition to military attacks on civilians, their defense of weaker groups being bullied and occupied by far stronger factions, their belief that unilateral military attacks are unjustified, and suddenly find common cause with Charles Krauthammer, The Weekly Standard, and the Bush administration in justifying even the most heinous Israeli crimes of aggression.

It will never cease to be mystifying (at least to me) that they never question why they suddenly view the world so differently when it comes to Israel. They never wonder to themselves:

I had it continuously drummed into my head from the time I was a small child, from every direction, that Israel was special and was to be cherished, that it's fundamentally good but persecuted and victimized by Evil Arab forces surrounding it, that I am a part of that group and should see the world accordingly. Is this tribal identity which was pummeled into me from childhood -- rather than some independent, dispassionate analysis -- the reason I find myself perpetually sympathizing with and defending Israel?

Doesn't the most minimal level of intellectual awareness -- indeed, the concept of adulthood itself -- require that re-analysis? And, of course, the "self-hating" epithet -- with which I've naturally been bombarded relentlessly over the last week -- is explicitly grounded in the premise that one should automatically defend one's "own group" rather than endeaveor to objectively assess facts and determine what is right and true.

This tribalism is hardly unique to Israel and Jews; it's instead universal. As the Bush years illustrated, there is no shortage of Americans who "reason" the same way:

I was taught from childhood that America is right and thus, even in adulthood, defend America no matter what it does; my duty as an American is to defend and justify what America does and any American who criticizes the U.S. is "self-hating" and anti-American; the wrongs perpetrated by Us to Them pale in comparison to the wrongs perpetrated by Them on Us.

Or listen to Fox News fear-mongers declare how Christians in the U.S. and/or white males -- comprising the vast majority of the population and every power structure in the country -- are the Real Persecuted Victims, from the War on Christmas to affirmative action evils. Ronald Reagan even managed to convince much of the country that the true economic injustices in America were caused by rich black women driving their Cadillacs to collect their welfare checks. This kind of blinding, all-consuming tribalism leads members of even the most powerful group to convince themselves that they are deeply victimized by those who are far weaker, whose necks have been under the boots of the stronger group for decades, if not longer.

That's just the standard symptom of the disease of tribalism and it finds expression everywhere, in every group. It's just far more significant -- and far more destructive -- when the groups convincing themselves that they are the Weak and Bullied Victims are actually the strongest forces by far on the planet, with the greatest amount of weaponry and aggression, who have been finding justifications for so long for their slaughtering of civilians that, as Israeli Amos Oz suggested this week about his country, there are virtually no limits left on the naked aggression that will be justified. Thus, even when Israel attacks a ship full of civilians and wheelchairs in international waters and kills at least 9 human beings, this is depicted by its tribal loyalists as an act of justified self-defense against the Real Aggressors.

UPDATE: A few related items worth noting:

(1) Max Blumenthal catches the IDF trying to quietly withdraw its absurd claim that the flotilla was linked to Al Qaeda;

(2) Reporters Without Borders notes that, as of yesterday, Israel continued to detain most journalists on the ships, including their film and cameras, thus preventing any of them from disputing Israeli propaganda; as the NYT reported, Israel was also "refusing to permit journalists access to witnesses who might contradict Israel's version of events." Manifestly, all that was done to ensure that the highly selective and edited video released by the IDF would shape the narrative of what happened and could not be challenged in the first few days of reporting.

(3) The truth, however, always emerges. See this interview with just-released Al Jazeera reporter Jamal Elshayyal, who was aboard the ship that was attacked, about what really happened and who began the shooting.

(4) Jeremy Scahill was on MSNBC today debating the flotilla attack with Israel-centric Ed Koch, and did a superb job debunking several of Koch's lies. There is no excuse for any television network to host discussions of this incident without including critics of the attack and the blockade, including that rarest of all American TV events: hearing from Palestinian or other Muslim critics of Israeli policy.

(5) Sadly No's HTML Mencken examines the extreme and twisted demands for Israel-loyalty being issued by Commentary Magazine, among other sectors in the U.S.

(6) One of the tired, clichéd epithets being spat by right-wing war cheerleaders at critics of the Israeli attack (such as myself) is "Useful Idiots." Yet just as nothing helped Al Qaeda(and Iran) more than the invasion of Iraq, the U.S. torture regime, Guantanamo and the like, nothing helps Hamas more than these types of naked acts of Israeli aggression which repulse the world. As Gazan-born journalist Taghreed El-Khodary explained yesterday inSalon:

Israel has given Hamas a present. Hamas' morale is high; it's a boost for them. They feel stronger and that's what they needed at this time when they had been weakened somewhat.

So who are the actual Useful Idiots?

UPDATE II: This morning, John Cole predicted that because of Turkey's opposition to Israel in this case, "the new mission du jour for the wingnut Wurlitzer is to begin a full-fledged demonization of Turkey." Leading the way, however, is Democratic Rep. Anthony Weiner, who, speaking today to National Review -- that's National Review -- denounced Turkey as "our former ally." By "our," he presumably means "the United States." So apparently, even if a stalwart American ally like fellow NATO member Turkey evinces insufficient devotion to Israel, then they must be declared a non-ally of the United States (h/t Steve Hynd). It doesn't matter if Turkey is actually important to American interests; the fact that they are odds with Israel means they must be jettisoned by the U.S. See above for how and why that works.

UPDATE III: I was on Al Jazeera English on Wednesday night talking about the Obama administration and Israel policy. The 4-minute segment can be viewed here. I was able to get the new camera working (the one I wanted to use for the Spitzer interview), and though it needed to be positioned somewhat higher, it illustrates the high video quality possible with Skype TV interviews. The new lapel microphone is also working now (though not for this interview), but the face mic I used for this interview also reflects the high audio quality that's possible.

Relatedly: here is another first-hand account from a flotilla passenger about what happened which you will barely, if at all, hear on American television. As Anonymous Liberal put it -- in response to my request to all television journalists that they interview journalist Jamal Elshayyal about what he witnessed on the ship -- "why do that when you can interview some U.S. politician who wasn't on the ship but knows what Israel said happened?" And I would add: "or watch highly edited videos from the IDF, which spent days blocking access to witnesses and journalists and continues to conceal the full, unedited videos"? But that's American "journalism" for you in a nutshell.


http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/03/israel/index.html

9 opmerkingen:

Anoniem zei

Uit het Spiegel interview. Is off topic (want over de slachtoffertroon direkt), maar het illustreert De Winters kennisniveau & betoogtruuk:

"Not since the end of World War II have things been as exciting as they are today. We are experiencing a new phenomenon: the mass immigration of Muslims to countries where the "infidels" live."

"Mass immigration" is van deze dagen? Getallen per jaar please. En tweede, derde generaties van immigranten, niet belangrijk Leon? Hij is zijn verstand verloren. Alles is "hate" en "rage", anders kan hij geen betoog opbouwen.


Zelf vind ik het knap dat de Palestijnen zo weinig haat tonen. Tegenover de dieven.

eGast

Sonja zei

Vreemd, want in Der Spiegel stelt hij dat hij Los Angeles zo prettig vind omdat er alleen maar immigranten wonen...

Sonja zei

De Messias wordt door het hele Nieuwe Testament van de Bijbel heen het "Lam van God" (agnus dei) genoemd. Op christelijke schilderingen door de eeuwen heen zien we regelmatig de aanbidding van Het Lam, die op een offertafel (=altaar!) staat en altijd door iedereen aanbeden wordt.

In Genesis 22 zegt god tegen Abraham dat hij zijn geliefde zoon Isaak voor hem moet (slacht-)offeren. Abraham is zo gehoorzaam dat hij met een smoes zijn zoon meelokt naar de offerplaats. Bijna slacht Abraham zijn zoon maar een engel grijpt in en vertelt dat het maar een test was. Ongeveer 2000 jaar later werd volgens de bijbel op dezelfde berg Jezus gekruisigd.

Het Pesachfeest vindt elk jaar plaats op de 14e dag van de Joodse maand Nisan. De oudste zoon van een joodse familie moest volgens Exodus 12 worden 'gelost' - niet als alle eerstgeboren dieren verplicht geofferd, maar met een plaatsvervangend offer daarvan gered. Tijdens de traditionele Pesachmaaltijd refereert de vader onder andere aan de 'lossing' van de eerstgeboren zoon.

Er wordt op die dag gegeten ter herinnering aan het voorbijgaan door de Heer van de huizen van hen die het Pesachlam hadden geofferd en het bloed daarvan op hun houten deurstijlen hadden gesmeerd, terwijl de engel des doods een bezoek bracht aan hen die dat niet hadden gedaan. De engel des doods was de laatste van tien plagen die door god werden gestuurd om de joden te bevrijden uit de slavernij in Egypte (in de archeologie is tot op de dag van vandaag geen enkel bewijs gevonden van dit verhaal). Ongeveer 1,500 jaar later wordt op de 14e dag van de Nisan het Pesachlam van god, Jezus Christus gekruisigd voor de zonden van de gehele mensheid.

Het Lam Gods is het ultieme slachtoffersymbool, en zijn bloed/opoffering beschermt de mensheid. Het Lam (Jezus) offerde zich op om de mensheid te redden. Leon de Winter droomde er als jongen van om Messias te zijn. Hij noemt dit een bekend verschijnsel bij alle joodse jongetjes. Later in het interview in Der Spiegel noemt hij nog een "vreselijke joodse gewoonte": de wereld proberen te redden.

Ik denk echter dat beide meningen over joden meer te maken hebben met de fantasie van De Winter, dan dat hij het over geobserveerde en gedocumenteerde psychologische kenmerken heeft. Misschien fantasie, maar misschien ook wel wensdenken. Uit zijn uitspraken kun je opmaken dat hij misschien graag een slachtoffer zou willen zijn en op de door hem als begerenswaardig omschreven "slachtoffertroon" zou willen zitten. Maar hij gedraagt zich geenszins als een slachtoffer, aangezien hij agressieve en bedreigende taal uitslaat naar landen in het Midden-Oosten (behalve Israël). Irak moest van hem zeker gebombardeerd worden, en toen bleek dat er geen WMD's waren, was het volgens hem nog in orde. Zijn fascinatie voor slachtoffers houdt dan ook op bij de niet-Westerse medemens, die in zijn ogen bloeddorstige barbaren zijn die "verlangen naar de apocalypse". De Winter speelt een spelletje Scrabble met karaktertrekken die hij nota bene toedicht aan een nationaliteit.

stan zei

Minder vreemd dan het lijkt, sonja, want we hebben hier te maken met een racist wiens haat op arabieren is geprojecteerd. zijn voorkeur voor LA is zelfs een bevestiging daarvan. LA kent wel een grote iraanse groep, maar nauwelijks arabieren. de haat van dit slag joden gaat heel diep.

Sonja zei

... die in zijn ogen bloeddorstige barbaren zijn die "verlangen naar de apocalypse".
Ik voeg toe: Ik neem aan dat hij hier bedoelt dat wanneer Israël een atoombom op Iran gooit, dat dat prima in orde is, aangezien ze dan krijgen waar ze naar hebben verlangd. Ze vroegen er om!

Sonja zei

Ja, ik lees het Stan, in LA wonen honderduizenden rijke Afshin Ellian's!

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/orr/tehrangeles_iran_capital_expatriates_812.htm

AdR zei

LA wordt ook wel Teherangeles genoemd....
Ironischerwijze betekent Iran "Land der Ariërs", waar niets andes mee bedoeld wordt dan dat, maar het woord heeft in Europa en bijhangende gewesten een heel andere lading dan een aanduiding van bepaalde volksgroepen.

Daphne zei

@Sonja, niet elke gevluchte Iranier is een Afshin Elian of denkt als Afshin Elian. Elian is een speciaal geval. Hij zat in de jaren tachtig in Kabul, waar hij studeerde aan de universiteit. Intussen woedde er een burgeroorlog en een oorlog tussen Afghanen en Russen. Daar dan gezellie rondlopen als student is erg eigenaardig, hoor!

Er zijn zeventig miljoen Iraniers, give or take. Waarvan er inderdaad een heleboel in Californie wonen, vanwege het klimaat, en ook zo'n dertigduizend in Nederland.
Ik wil je wel eens voorstellen aan een aantal andere Iraniers dan Elian... (Eerst moet ik echter nog even leren hoe je een e met een trema maakt, want ik ben nogal onhandig en lui in die dingen.)

Lucas zei

How Leon de Winter removes all doubt that he’s an idiot
http://yelamdenu.blogsome.com/2008/07/05/130/

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